Not A Safe Space

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  1. Women have always been more important than men in our society. It is a biological imperative.

    Example.. Think back to very early humans living in caves. On the east side of the mountain is a cave with one woman and 30 men, on the west side is a cave with 30 women and one man..

    One of these tribes is set to go extinct, the other is set to have a population explosion. Women historically have been much more important than men to our species and to the propagation of our species, men are indeed disposable and always have been.

    Ten women and ten men on a sinking boat, and only ten lifeboat seats. I can tell you who will be rowing away, while the ten men go down with the ship.

    Fireman runs into burning building about to collapse and he finds a man and a woman unconscious on the floor. He knows he can only save one of them, which one gets saved and which one burns?

    Modern civilization has really murked up the waters and confused the situation, but I can’t recall women ever really demanding anything and not getting it. I don’t think that will change any time soon regardless of women’s demands being reasonable or not. That is why it will take women to pull in the reigns on feminists that get out of control. Men in general simply won’t do it, a few will try but most won’t unless things get far far out of hand..

  2. Sometime, when you have an hour or so, search youtube for the HBO film “Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam” (1987).

    You’ll find a short mention of the Kent State shootings in 1970, and a letter written by a grunt in Vietnam, asking America to remember the men who died for their country in that foreign land.

    It ain’t the first time, Mrs Carolina Courtland, and it sure as hell wasn’t the last. Obviously, the Kent State deaths are not equivalent to the Aurora shootings either in number, or by dint of the who was doing the shooting. Soldiers in Vietnam were mostly drafted, while today, they are all volunteers.

    But never mind all that. We who served, know the true price of freedom… something all those media and all those politicians will never understand.

    I recall a Gunnery Sgt who told me that he joined the Marines in 1966, so that his newborn baby boy would never have to serve. Unbeknownst to us both, a Major was behind us, who burst into laughter. We turned to him.

    He said, “My daddy told me he did the same thing in 1942.”

    I wondered then, as I do now…. so how many more… or is it reasonable to assume it will always be thus? I’m not entirely without sympathy towards the points you are making here, but remember, war means death, regardless of who, where or why. I cannot explain why “People getting randomly shot in a movie theater have more value than our brave soldiers willing to sacrifice their lives for us.” But I know it has always been that way, since humanity first picked up a club.

    But don’t worry, Mrs Carolina Courtland. Those who fell will NEVER be forgotten by those who served with them. In the end, that’s all that matters.

    The Navy Corpsman

  3. You raise an excellent point about the usual attitude to men dying … but I think it would have been better to compare male soldier deaths with female soldier deaths.

    Have you seen the series of YouTube videos by manwomanmyth? One of them that male deaths are usually referred to by occupation eg 20 miners lost their lives, but if women die then their sex is always mentioned and the attitude is that it’s a real tragedy just because they are women.

    Unlike the feminists I actually support real equality. I’ve had female colleagues and bosses who did outstanding jobs. Men and women are capable of all kinds of things, good and bad, but the blatant sexism of feminists seems focussed on demonizing men and gaining supremacy. No interest in real equality at all.

    • Thank you for your comments. I wasn’t aware of the YouTube videos. I will check them out.

      • Just to warn you – they are deliberately one-sided in response to the many attacks by feminists and the usual portrayals of men as incompetent, or violent, or “deadbeat” fathers etc.

        I see things in terms of merit – someone’s sex has nothing to do with what I think of them. As I mentioned above – I’ve worked with great colleagues/bosses male and female … and I’ve also worked with some incredibly selfish, incompetent, offensive and childish men and women.

        We should all have the same opportunities and the same treatment – but neither sex should get “privileges” just because of their sex, and neither should be mistreated either.

    • I concur that the series of videos by ‘ManWomanMyth’ are excellent. They present many, many facts to refute the feminist factoids and yes, the themes are quite firm in taking a clear line. It is not ‘bias’ to refute lies and distortions. They are not ‘one-sided’ as they acknowledge the feminist claims and show them to be false, exaggerated or hyperbole. The arguments are well made, without ranting or being impolite. They are ‘musts’ – all of them, and I think there are 40 odd – for being educated on the subject and all of its parts.

      • Just to clarify – the manwomanmyth channel is one of my favourite channels on Youtube. I think his work is excellent.

        By “one sided” I meant that the focus is, naturally, on men and there are many who want to dismiss his work because of this (the usual thing – feminists pointing out things wrong about men – absolutely fine whether they are true or not, anyone daring to criticise women even if it’s perfectly valid – the worst kind of misogyny)

        manwomanmyth clearly states that “No film is an island. Beware of taking individual films in isolation because a given film may focus on a very particular aspect of a larger topic. Certain ideas are presented that could easily be misconstrued as unfair. However, in the context of other films in the project, they represent measured and necessary discussion”.

  4. i really don’t know how to respond to this. i’m not the same person i was when i joined. the navy has given and the navy has taken away. but i agreed to do this, no one forced me.

    the civilians that died, died horribly…..because they DIDN’T sign up for that. my brother’s that have died- did. BUT…..i understand where Carolina is coming from. she’s simply asking that fallen soldiers be given just as much emphasis. but…..

    warriors don’t want recognition. they want victory. i get VERY uncomfortable when someone “thanks me for my service”. i don’t feel i rate a thank you. this is the path i chose, and i don’t regret it. i belong where i’m at, and i’m typically most comfortable among other wolves. how else do you describe me and DogSquat’s friendship.

    there’s a VERY black world out there that most of you civilians know nothing of. it’s our job to make sure you NEVER learn about it.

    • Danny,

      Thank you for your personal thoughts. I get that warriors might not want recognition, but my saying warriors need more recognition for their sacrifices isn’t for them, it’s for society. It’s to make society stop being able to put out of their minds what our men are going through in these various conflicts.

      Until 1975 we had the draft, men were forced to sign up and be slaughtered in places like Vietnam. So they didn’t sign up for that. Our government can bring the draft back, and will if they don’t feel enough have enlisted. Hence, the purpose of registration. And let’s not forget that reservists were forced to serve beyond what they signed up for in the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts.

  5. Thank you, m’dear, for your kind and forceful words.

    Our leaders seem to have lost all sense of proportion, weeping here, gloating there and totally obnoxious everywhere.

    Most military men – not specifically American – are patriotic, courageous and while appropriately aggressive when called-for are nonetheless mainly family men with wives and children and a huge amount of responsibility that is managed with compassion.

    On the side note, I have no great objection to sound women being in the military, and as a long-time MRA I recognise the need for equality of treatment / responsibility for the two genders, within sane limits. Men should not have to serve with women and women need their own physical standards. These will not match men’s. Women should have their own military formations and deal with their problems free from relying on men. The current military system is bound to cause more internal problems that it can solve.

    And Governments should not distinguish between them when allocating ‘harm’s way’ tasks.

    But back to your main point. The discrepency in treatment of civilians killed by a mad bugger on the one hand and the treatment of men (and occasional woman) in uniform being killed in the line of duty, is a disgrace. It is OUTRAGEOUS. It reflects not on the unfortunate victims of mad gunmen nor on the courageous soldiers, sailors and airmen who risk their lives on our behalf, but on the Politicians and the media scum who manipulate our minds and hearts.

    A Pox on them. They do not deserve being defended.

  6. Let’s see here …

    All men and women in uniform understand what they’re signing up for. They’re putting their lives at risk. If there was a law passed, in regards to lowering the flags at half staff every time a military person perished on foreign soil, the flags would be down halfway for many days of the year.

    And if the flags are down for SOOO MANY days at a time, how would the spirituality and confidence of our citizens change?
    I’d be feeling like shit, and would most likely have a bad day knowing that our boys are dying. It would suck seeing the flags down. It influences emotions in all of us.

    YES, they are heroes. With courage and honor. They became heroes the day they knew that they’d suit up for our nation and help make changes to the world for the betterment of the U.S.

    Each time a member of our military dies, we DO give them respect. And we do honor them. A 21 gun salute, the flag over the casket to be folded up and given to the mother and father, and many condolences from officials.

    If I died while serving, I wouldn’t want the flags to go down. A good funeral would be more than good enough. And I don’t need the entire nation feeling sad over my loss, for I knew that this was definitely the risk and the possibility.

    Now, we go to Aurora, Colorado, where a smart guy lost all hope for himself and figured he had nothing to lose. He kills 12 people and injures many others. INNOCENT CIVILIANS LOST. Families in tragedy over it. Why? Because it was UNEXPECTED. And it’s not suppose to happen, but unfortunately, it’s a chaotic world out there. And many many people succumb to it in the blink of an eye.

    I believe the value we place on our boys fighting is good. If you put more value into the military, such as paying them more, then the budget will get bigger. And then regular citizens will bitch about lack of equality.

    My 2 cents.

    • I didn’t say anything about the flag being lowered to half staff every time a service member was killed.

      You’re focusing on the wrong point. The point is the media coverage disparity, the attitude. The media makes it seem as if these dead civilians are the worst thing to happen to America, but they didn’t act like that when those heroes, who got Bin Laden, died.

      It’s easy for you to say that you wouldn’t want this or that done if you died for your country, because clearly, that’s never going to happen to you. You aren’t in the military.

      And your statement is offensive: “All men and women in uniform understand what they’re signing up for.”

      What you’re saying is that it’s okay to send them anywhere, for whatever reason, and they can just die, because they “knew” it would happen. You just proved my point. That our military men are viewed as having no value.

  7. Thank you for that. Another point is that 18 year old boys have to register for the draft or suffer the consequences. I don’t see feminists outraged that girls are being oppressed by not having to register.


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